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[voiderest (deleted)]

Well I don't have anything specific in mind, but I know people have opinions on this. (If you don't I have enough of an opinion for both of us

Is ID the same as Creationism?

Are these ideas science?

Should they get time in schools?

Which Creationism? Old Earth? Young Earth? Zenu?

Something else? Go Nuts

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Poor Richard's Almanack, 1758

[lordboogar]

ID is dishonest Creationism, and less respectable... At least Creationism doesn't make excuses for or try to weasel its way into a science curriculum.

Is there science behind ID? Yep.
Is there science behind Greenpeace projects? Yep.
Are either of them valid? Only on very specific points, but certainly not in principle.

[fireof12]

`I would say that creationism always has ID where as ID can exist outside of creationism. ID has some merit although not in the light it is most often portrayed. For instance, it is possible that a civilization far greater than our own created us and our habitat. However this is unlikely it is still a possibility and i would not necessarily be surprised if it were the case. Creationism is based entirely on ID but irrelevant facts are pulled in to support a story and lie made up around the general idea of a creator. This is wrong and is not scientific. It should be thrown aside and never brought up again, for it has no merit and is only there to cool nerves and evade key questions in life.

[picco]

voiderest wrote: Well I don't have anything specific in mind, but I know people have opinions on this. (If you don't I have enough of an opinion for both of us

Is ID the same as Creationism?
They changed the name as a strategy to avoid conflict with church/state separation so they can teach in school. Their main book, Of Panda and Man, were in all regards the same book except for this name change.

Quote: Are these ideas science?
No, they claim that evolution is not capable of creating humans, and that there is intelligent design and hence some designer, aka God, though they can't say it.

Quote: Should they get time in schools?
Maybe in Social Science classes as example of how people try to sneak their religious views into schools. There are no falsifiable statements in ID, and no respectable biologist agrees with it.

Picco